Goodman:  And now is the time for Bob Lazar, our  guest
tonight in the studio.  Bob are you there?

Lazar:  Sure am.

Goodman:  All right, Bob.   Bob,  I guess  you know  by
now, you came on Channel 8, the CBS  affiliate here  in
Las Vegas and came out with some startling information,
mainly that there are flying saucers not  too far  from
here, and I don't want to say Area 51, anymore, right?

Lazar:  Right.

Goodman:  Tell us why.   It's  not Area  51 where  they
are.

Lazar:  No, it's Area S-4.  A  lot of  people get  that
confused.  It's about ten miles  south of  Area 51,  of
Groom Lake, which is Area 51.

Goodman:  But, when  people try  to get  down the  dirt
road, man, they get stopped by guards.   What are  they
protecting there?

Lazar:  Oh, Groom Lake.  That's Area 51.

Goodman:  Okay, what's going on up at Groom Lake?   Can
you tell us that?

BL  There are actually a lot of projects  are going  on
at Groom Lake, Area 51.  One of them is Aurora, a  high
altitude  reconnaissance aircraft  designed to  replace
the SR-71.  There are just a lot of other things  going
on.   Some  Star Wars  research, but  there aren't  and
never have been any flying saucers at Area 51, at Groom
Lake.

Goodman:  You have been at Area 51 so you can say  that
unequivocally, right?

Lazar:  Oh, yeah.

Goodman:  You've been there.   Have you  spent most  of
your time over at S-4, is that the case?

Lazar:  Yeah, as it turns out, Groom Lake, Area 51, has
a runway there, so if you want to go out  to that  part
of the Test Site, you fly in  and land  at Groom  Lake,
and then you take a bus south to Area S-4.

Goodman:    Bob,  have  you  actually  landed  on  that
airstrip at Groom Lake?

Lazar:  Yeah, every time I went out there I had to land
there.

Goodman:  Every time.   And how  often did  you go  out
there?

Lazar:  It wasn't on a regular basis.  They essentially
called me up and  said, well,  Thursday by  4:45 be  at
such-and-such a place and, you know, get on this  plane
and, you know, you'll be out  there.   I hadn't  worked
into a regular schedule, yet.

Goodman:  I see.  Now, how does something like this  go
about?  You're sitting at home, and they say, now,  you
will be at a certain place at  a certain  time, or  you
will arrive there?  How  do you  be sure  that you  can
make connections to get there at  4:45?   Do they  take
care of all of that for you, too?

Lazar:  No, I just have to show up there.  I mean, if I
can't make it, I just have to  tell them  or call  them
with sufficient notice.

Goodman:    But  they  want  you there  for a  specific
reason, because they want...

Lazar:  Well, to get on a specific flight.

Goodman:  Right.  And they want you there at Groom Lake
so you can get to S-4?

Lazar:  Right.

Goodman:  And then when you  get there,  what are  they
looking for you to do?

Lazar:  [Pause] Ah...  [Laughs]  That varied.  It could
be...  mainly  educating me,  catching me  up to  where
everyone else was.

Goodman:  Oh, grooming you.

Lazar:  Yeah, exactly.  Yeah.

Goodman:  Oh, I see.  And what were  they grooming  you
for, Bob?

Lazar:  Well, I dealt mainly with the propulsion of the
extraterrestrial  craft.    And  there  was  a  lot  of
material to read, a lot  briefings, a  lot of  research
that had been done for quite some  time that  I had  to
catch up on before I could really get  into it  myself,
so most of the time I spent reading and going over some
things.  There was some hands-on  experience with  some
of  the equipment  from the  disks and  things of  that
sort.

Goodman:  Lets bring you back,  now,  to the beginning.  
You're a young man, let's face it.  You're a young man.
What  was your first reaction the first  time you  knew
for  a  fact  that  we  had  flying   saucers  in   our
possession, you saw them with your own eyes.  What  was
your first reaction to this?

Lazar:  Oh, it was exciting.  What else can you say?   
It was really neat.

Goodman:  [Laughs]  That's a good word, really neat.

Lazar:  Well, really, I guess it's the  only thing  you
can say.  But the first time I saw it and  I walked  in
and actually saw  the disk,  of course  I couldn't  say
whether  or  not  it  was an  alien device  or just  an
interesting craft that we've  been developing.   So  it
was a little while before I had ascertained that it was
an extraterrestrial craft.

Goodman:  And did they every explain to you how it  got
there?

Lazar:  No, that I was never told.  But they just  took
things very slowly.  First I was exposed  to the  craft
and then I began to read the briefings,  and they  were
monitoring me through the whole time,  so they  didn't,
you know...   They let  me take  things one  step at  a
time, as they do for everyone that works there.

Goodman:  Now, you got to be honest with me.  Here  you
are a young man, you left there, you went  home to  the
wife,  to  your  neighborhood,  whatever,  and   you're
sitting around having  a cup  of coffee,  did you  ever
say, Hey, Man, you won't believe this, there are flying
saucers.

Lazar:  I stuck with the program for a little while.

Goodman:  [Laughs.]  What was the program?  Don't  tell
anybody?

Lazar:  Oh, most certainly.

Goodman:   Oooo,  there's the  word, folks.   In  other
words, you were  told, don't  tell anybody.   In  other
words, keep this secret, don't let anybody  know.   Did
they   every   tell   you...  Did   you,  like,   being
inquisitive, I'm sure,  as a  young man,  did you  ever
say, Why is it that  we can't  tell anybody?   Did  you
ever ask them that question?

Lazar:    No, because  being involved  with many  other
classified projects, at the  other labs  that I  worked
with, you don't ask that.   You just  assume that  they
know what they are doing, and you are privileged to  be
in that project, so, you know...

Goodman:   I can  understand that.   So  you just  felt
honored being there, like you say.

Lazar:  Exactly.

Goodman:  Wow.  And you get home and sit there with the
wife at the dinner table and not even talk about it.

Lazar:  Well, that didn't last for too long.

Goodman:  [Laughs.]  I can imagine, I mean, How was you
day today, dear, Anything exciting happen?  What  would
you say?

Lazar:  Ah...  Not a whole lot...  It caused  a lot  of
friction.

Goodman:  Sure.  It did?

Lazar:  Oh, yeah.  A tremendous amount.

Goodman:  Is that right.   Because  you couldn't  speak
up, you couldn't all about what was going on.

Lazar:  Right.

Goodman:  Okay, we're talking with Bob  Lazar, and  Bob
Lazar  is  a scientist.   That's  you're title,  right,
scientist?

Lazar:      Physicist,   but  scientist   is  a   good,
all-round...

Goodman:  Okay, right, okay, physicist is even better. 
And the reason I bring that up, Bob,  is because  many,
any  times  on  the  Happening, people  have said,  oh,
they've called  in and,  you know,  and they've  talked
about  it,  but  we've never  had a  scientist.   Well,
tonight, we have a scientist.  This is your opportunity
of a lifetime to get into a scientist's head.  A  young
man, too.  A man that people in the Las Vegas area have
seen on television.  Of course, the rest of you all the
way down to Mexico and up into Canada haven't had  that
privilege, but you're hearing him tonight.  Now, you're
with  Gene  Huff, and  Gene Huff  is a  good friend  of
yours.  Is he a neighbor, is that it?

Lazar:  No, just a friend.

Goodman:  Just a friend.

Lazar:  I guess he was the first person that I began to
let the information out to, and, you know, he's  really
just followed through the whole thing from the day that
I was hired there up to... I just kept  him briefed  on
it.

Goodman:  That must have been  quite a  position to  be
in, Gene?

Huff:  Oh, right.  I  had been  monitoring the  general
UFO  researcher  material,  and  when  Bob  got in  the
program I just used what he told me to try to ascertain
what was the truth and try to  sort out  what was  fact
and what was fiction.  It was actually a blessing, just
a coincidence that we were friends and he got into  the
most secret program in the world.

Goodman:    Were  you  into  this UFO  phenomenon as  a
person, as an individual?

Huff:  I have been my whole life, I  mean just  things,
Chariots of the Gods, Omni Magazine, any books that you
could get your hands on.  But it was  really, tough,  I
mean, people like John Lear, Bill Cooper have all  done
a good job  in at  least getting  people thinking,  and
then people can proceed and find out what they can.

Goodman:    Well,  I  think that's  where we're  headed
tonight, don't you agree?  I mean, with Bob now telling
us...  And we're down  to, we  can now  scratch out,  I
guess, as far as you're  concerned, nothing  as far  as
extraterrestrial activity  is up  at Area  51 or  Groom
Lake.  Has that always been the case, because I  heard,
and I've also read, as I say, government papers,  maybe
they lie, but they said that Area 51 was the area where
U-2 came out of.

Lazar:  Oh, yeah.  That's where  the U-2  came out  of,
where the SR-71 came out of.

Goodman:  I see.

Lazar:  Lots of things came out of there.  Maybe a disk
went  through  there.    They're  just  not stored  and
developed, worked on there.  Sure, one may have  rolled
by there and someone may have...  There have been  lots
of reports of people at Area 51 said, well, at one time
I saw a disk in a hanger.  That may have happened,  but
it wasn't there permanently.

Goodman:  Bob, I have  to tell  you this,  I guess  you
know by now, we took a group of people up there,  about
200-some-odd people, and I was up there with  them.   I
sat in  the desert,  and I  watched, and  here's how  I
could describe it.  Now, picture the twenty-nine and  a
half mile marker, and we're looking out at these peaks,
and there's nothing going all.   All of  a sudden,  you
look over the peak, and something comes up, and sort of
almost appears over the peak.  It's just  a light,  and
you  watch  this light  and you  see it  doing zigzags.  
Literally moving down and then coming about.  Something
had to...  Now, are there planes that we  have that  do
those kind of maneuvers?

Lazar:  Well, without seeing it, I can't say, but...  I
mean, I know when the tests are.  That's when I invited
a few friends out to show them, John Lear and Gene Huff
and someone else.  The tests are only,  have only  been
done  on  Wednesday  nights.   That's  just the  night,
because statistically it's the night  of least  traffic
in that area.  They've never been done on the weekend. 
In fact, on Friday nights, everyone leaves there.  It's
just a minimal crew there.   There's  never been...  in
fact,  one  of  the  times  when  I  brought people  up
there--I  believe that  was on  a Wednesday  night--and
they just caught the  four of  us out  there, and  they
canceled the whole test.  A busload of  people I  don't
think would ever get by security and they'd ever let  a
test go on.  What you might have seen,  I really  can't
say.  Maybe something was in the air at  the time,  but
the  chances of  it being  on a  weekend and  something
actually going on with that amount of  people there  is
almost zero.

Goodman:  Okay, so, if people do go to the 29-1/2  mile
marker,  now,  they  shouldn't  look  toward  the  peak
straight ahead, they should look more to their left.

Lazar:  Right, definitely to their left.

Goodman:  Down range.

Lazar:  Yeah.

Goodman:  Okay, in other words from the dirt road  down
to the left.  So is  that Hancock  Summit or  something
like that?

Lazar:  I don't know what the range is called there.

Goodman:  Okay.  We're talking with Bob  Lazar.   Let's
take some telephone calls  and find  out where  they're
coming from.  Would you like to do that?

Lazar:  Sure.

Goodman:  Okay, let's go.  And who's up first?  Zellie.
Let's talk to Zellie.  Hello, Zellie.

"Zellie":  Hello, Billy.  Hello, Bob.   I watched  you,
Bob, on the Channel 8 program and, you know, my dog was
barking  when  you were explaining the  gravity theory.  
These craft don't  use any  type of  gasolice, is  that
right?

Lazar:  Any type of gasoline?

"Zellie":  Yes.

Lazar:  No, they don't.

"Zellie":  Okay, how do they get from "A" to "B"?

Lazar:  They bend space and time using gravity.

"Zellie":  Can you explain that to a layman like me  in
as simple terms as possible?

Goodman:  And me.

Lazar:  Okay, I can give a fairly accurate description.
I haven't given this before,  but I think  this is  the
best one.  The craft have three  gravity amplifiers  on
the bottom  of 'em.   What  they do  is, assuming  that
they're in space--it's just easier to  get this  across
that way--they will focus the three gravity  amplifiers
on the point that they want to go to.  Now, to give you
an analogy, if you take a thin rubber  sheet, say,  lay
it on a table and put thumbs tacks in each corner.  You
take a big stone and set it on  one end  of the  rubber
sheet  and  say  that that's  your UFO  or that's  your
spacecraft.  You pick out a point that you  want to  go
to, which could be anywhere on the rubber sheet,  pinch
that point with your fingers and pull that all the  way
up to the craft.  That's how it focuses and pulls  that
point  actually  to it.   When  you then  shut off  the
gravity  generators,  the  stone  or  your   spacecraft
follows  that  stretched  rubber  back  to  its  point.
There's no linear travel  through space.   It  actually
bends space and time, and follows space as it retracts.

"Zellie":  Is this kind of like a box that they have on
the craft that does this gravity focusing?

Lazar:   Well,  it's a  complete system,  not a  single
little box.

"Zellie":  Yeah, that is so  hard to  understand.   Did
you come across this easier  to understand  it, or  did
you just comprehend this over months or years or...

Lazar:    No, it  didn't really  take very  long.   The
concept is difficult to grasp but...

"Zellie":  Oh, I'll say.

Goodman:  Well, being a physicist, though, I guess  you
could  handle  that  kind  of  a  thing.   You have  to
understand that, Zellie.  This man, this young man is a
physicist, scientist, so I guess this  is what  they've
been taught over the years.  Okay?

"Zellie":  Okay.  Thanks for that black sheet analogy. 
Appreciate it.

Goodman:  Thanks for calling, Zellie.

"Zellie":  Bye.

Goodman:  Bye- bye.  Okay, that's Zellie.  My guest  is
Bob Lazar.  He's in studio tonight.  Let's  go down  to
Canyon  Lake.   That sounds  like  a   beautiful place.  
Canyon Lake in California, and we find Jeff.  Hi, Jeff.

"Jeff":  How ya doin'?

Goodman:  Terrific.  How 'bout yourself?

"Jeff":  Oh,  I'm  doing  just  fine.   You know,  last
Saturday night, my cousin and I were out at Groom Lake,
and  we  saw  from  the  peaks  that I  think you  were
describing, Billy, a very similar experience.   We  saw
the light originate over the top of the mountains  then
streak out to what it looked like, it looked like about
a  half a mile away from us, and then it just vanished. 
It lasted for about seven to ten seconds.  And then  my
cousin saw another sighting that was off  to the  south
where your guest described the site.

Goodman:  Oh, really?

"Jeff":  Yeah, and what was weird  about it  is that  I
got out the camera and I was just about ready to take a
picture of this thing and it  vanished.   It, like,  it
vanished from the center out.   It became  transparent,
and then all of  a sudden  it was  gone.   It was  like
nothing  I  have  ever  seen  before, and  it was  very
interesting to see.  I'm wondering what that could have
been.    Does  you  guest  know  anything  about   that
particular type of manifestation?

Goodman:  Okay, we'll let  them answer  the phone,  and
thanks for the call, Jeff.

"Jeff":  Okay.

Goodman:  Take care, buddy.

"Jeff":  All right.

Goodman:  What do you think about that, Bob?

Lazar:    You  know, of  course, without  seeing it,  I
really can't say, but...  that's about all I can say, I
guess.  I really don't...

Goodman:  There has  been a  theory, and  it's come  up
more than once, that they can dematerialize or all of a
sudden be so quick to get away from you  that you  lose
sight of it, instantly, they say.  Is that true?

Lazar:  Well, you can lose sight of it without it  even
moving, because just  in view  of the  way things  work
when they warp time and space around the craft they can
actually...  This is the exact reason why  you can  see
stars behind the sun, because  the sun  has an  intense
gravitational field and it pulls space around where you
can begin to see the star behind it.  It's just like in
a disk:  You can be looking straight up at  it, and  if
the gravity generators are in the proper  configuration
you just see the sky above it; you won't see the  craft
there.  That's how there can be a group  of people  and
only...  some people can be right under it  and see  it
and there can be people 100 feet  off to  the left  and
not see it.  It  just  depends how  the field  is bent.  
It's also the reason why the craft appear as if they're
making ninety  degree  turns  at  so  incredible speed.  
It's just the time and space distortion is what  you're
seeing.  You're not seeing the actual event happening.

Goodman:  Okay.  Bob Lazar is my guest, and let's go to
Roger #2.  Roger #2.  Hello, Roger.

"Roger #2":  Yeah.  Hi, there.

Goodman:  How are you doing tonight?

"Roger #2":  Good, fine.  How are you all?   I've  been
watching your show there, Bob, and it was terrific.   I
really enjoyed it, and I got a couple of questions  for
you.  Have you seen any aliens, there, at the base?

Lazar:  You know,  I really  don't want  to talk  about
aliens at S-4.  It's just a weird topic and...

"Roger #2":  Well, then, you know three days ago, there
was  this  fellow  that  came  on  the  Billy   Goodman
Happening,  and  he's  a worker  at Mercury.   Did  you
happen to hear that show, Bob?

Lazar:  No, I didn't.

"Roger #2":  Well, he's a worker, and he told the story
about  how  he  went 3000  feet down  into the  ground,
underground  in  other  words,  and  when the  elevator
opened up,  it was  a stainless  steel atmosphere,  and
he's a worker laying electrical wiring and lighting for
this vast complex that is at  Mercury.   And he's  been
working there quite a while, but he told of the Marines
down there wear six bayonets [?] that herded them  into
certain areas, kept them out of other areas.   And  one
day  he saw  some doctors  there with  white coats  on,
smocks  you  know,  and  they  were  wheeling along  on
gurneys some aliens with big heads and small bodies and
arms and so  forth.   And I  just wondered  if you  had
heard anything about that?

Lazar:  This is at Mercury?

"Roger #2":  At Mercury, yes.

Lazar:    That's  a strange  place for  that to  occur,
though  I  have  heard,  but  do  not  have first  hand
experience,   of  any  tunnels  and things  down there.  
Certainly, they have very deep tunnels and rooms  under
there for the nuclear tests.  I don't know  if they  go
down to 3000 feet.  So, I think  someone recently  just
[was] killed, I think, at 1500 feet underground.  Yeah,
that was in the papers, so everyone knows they at least
go down that deep.

"Roger #2":  The information I  have is  most of  those
underground areas are about a thousand meters.

Lazar:  Yeah, I really don't know how far they go  down
there.  The thing that strikes me as  unusual that  you
said there was a stainless steel atmosphere?

"Roger #2":  Yes, that's the way he described  it.   In
other words, they were putting up  sheets of  stainless
steel  because apparently  they had  drilled with  some
kind of machine this vast complex underground, and  the
tunnels, and they had to put something to cover that.

Lazar:    Oh, okay,  I understand  what you're  talking
about.  In fact, I happen to know of someone who drills
those tunnels down there.

Goodman:  Oooo, all right.

"Roger #2":   Hey, these  machines, are  they the  type
that go through and push...  and compact  the earth  to
the  side  and  have  square  corners  and  so   forth,
compacting, leaving no residue?

Lazar:    I  really  don't  remember  how  the   person
described it to me.  I think  it's a  24 foot  diameter
drill,   essentially,   that   is   driven,  and   it's
hydraulically operated and they just drive the thing.

"Roger #2":  Yeah, but it must not  leave any  residue,
then?

Lazar:  Yeah, probably not.  Either that or it channels
it  out backwards  and somehow  is relayed  out of  the
hole.

Goodman:  All right, Roger #2, thanks for your call.

"Roger #2":  Okay.  You bet.  Thank you very much.

Goodman:  Okay, bye-bye.  Bob  Lazar, Bob  Lazar is  my
guest.  He is in studio here in Las Vegas.  If you have
a question for Bob Lazar, feel free to give us a call. 
All our lines are kind of tied  up right  now, but  jot
down the phone number: 451-5834.   From  out of  state,
it's  area  code 702-451-5834.   And,  of course,  that
brand new member line, the one that Jeff used in Canyon
Lake, California, is available for you at 702-451-5655.
Let's go  to Line  5 and  talk with  Guardian Angel.  
Hello, Guardian Angel.

"Guardian Angel":  Good evening, Billy.

Goodman:  Good evening.

"Guardian Angel":  You have a wonderful show, tonight.

Goodman:  Thank you.

"Guardian Angel":  I'd like to ask Bob  a question,  if
he's...

Goodman:  He's right there waiting.

"Guardian Angel":  ...if he feels secure after he's let
this out, if he's  had--and I  pray not,  which I  will
keep in our prayers--that no one has  made any  attempt
on you at all.

Lazar:  Well, they made attempts on me before, but  not
since...  and as far as feeling  secure, no  I don't.  
I'm just, I'm really waiting for the repercussions.

"Guardian Angel":  Well, I wish you  would really  stay
close to the show, with Billy.  I think we would  enjoy
talking and  asking questions  of you,  and you  better
believe they would have to  answer to  us if  all of  a
sudden you come up wrong.

Lazar:  [Laughs.]  Well, that's good to hear.

"Guardian Angel":   Can  I ask  a question?   You  said
Wednesday nights are  normally when  these saucers  are
seen.

Lazar:  Right.

"Guardian  Angel":    And  can  I  ask  you  what  your
clearance was out there at S-4?

Lazar:  [Pause.]

"Guardian Angel":  I don't need to...

Lazar:  Yeah, I'd rather not say because the name is...

"Guardian Angel":  Okay, I understand.

Lazar:  It's 38 levels  above "Q"  clearance, which  is
the highest civilian clearance.  What is supposed to be
the highest civilian clearance.

"Guardian Angel":   Okay,  I know  what you're  talking
about.  Well, I appreciate asking these questions,  and
as I said,  we as  the audience  will keep  you in  our
prayers and we pray you will stay close to the  station
so we  can be  alert.   And Billy,  we appreciate  your
show.

Goodman:  All right, thank  you.   Thank you,  Guardian
Angel.  Okay, Bob Lazar.  38  levels  above  "Q" level!  
Oh,  my  god!    We  just  started  hearing about  that
recently, about the "Q" clearance and what that  meant,
and you're 38 levels above that.  It starts just at "Q"
and then goes from there, is that correct?   One,  two,
three...  Is that how it works?

Lazar:  I don't know what the intermediate levels are.

Goodman:  You don't know if there are  37 others;  it's
just a number they gave you, is that correct?

Lazar:  No, there are 37 others.  I don't know..

Goodman:  There are 37 others!  Wow!  Okay.   Okay,  we
have a little time to take  a break.   Sip  on some  of
that coffee you like, guys, and we're going to do  some
Road  Watch  America,  catch up  with a  couple of  our
sponsors who make this all possible.   And you,  ladies
and gentlemen, stick around.  We're going  to keep  Bob
Lazar here as long as he wants to stay.  Can you stay? 
Are you in any hurry at all?

Lazar:  Only to get to sleep.

Goodman:  Stay with us.  This is going to be wonderful.
You're  going to  enjoy it  as much  as everybody  else
does, and we'll  get back  with Bob  Lazar after  these
messages.

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they will treat  you like  royalty.   There's no  other
place that you want to stay  because it's  conveniently
located and beautiful,  comfortable rooms.   One  block
away from Caesar's Palace, from the  Dunes, right  next
door  to  Bally's,  next to  Maxim and  Bourbon Street.  
Really a convenient location,  a super  place to  stay,
the Vagabond Inn.  Of  course, they  have video  power;
they have slot  machines, and  they even  have a  piano
bar,  and  all kinds of things... 24  hour restaurants.  
They  have  all  the  comforts  of home  at very,  very
reasonable prices.  The Vagabond Inn, that's the  place
to stay the next time you're going to Las  Vegas.   And
if you have a group  or organization,  they have  group
rates that are unbelievable.  Matter of fact, the Royal
Air Force stays at the Vagabond Inn.  We don't know why
they're in town, but they were telling me that they  do
their  practicing  up  at  Nellis  Air  Force Base  and
they're learning some things  up there,  but they  stay
there.  The National Finals Rodeo's going to be  coming
in  town  pretty  soon, but  call the  Vagabond Inn  at
702-731-2111.

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Goodman:  Okay, Bob Lazar and Gene Huff, Merry Mary  is
presenting you with something that, in case you have to
keep any notes in there, that is an official Space Pen.
Now,  probably you've heard  about those.   That's  the
Fisher Space Pen, the very same one the astronauts  and
the cosmonauts use.  I mean, you'll never need  another
pen.    You  can  write  straight  up  in  the air,  on
anything--grease, oil, anything at all.

Okay, Bob Lazar is my guest, and let's  take some  more
calls.   Let's go down to Scott in L.A.  Scott in  L.A.  
And  let's see  what he  has to  say and  what kind  of
question he has.  He always  has good  questions.   Hi,
Scott.

"Scott":  Good evening, Billy.

Goodman:  How are you doing.

"Scott":  Oh, pretty good.

Goodman:  Terrific.  What's happening.

"Scott":  Well, I wanted to talk with Mr. Lazar.

Goodman:  I thought that's what you wanted.   Go  right
ahead.

"Scott":  Well, forgive me, I've heard your name thrown
about a few times, but I have not been able to see  the
television program that you were interviewed on in  Las
Vegas, so  I really  have no  idea, so  excuse some  of
these questions if they don't sound like they make  any
sense, but I'm trying to  understand, how  far are  you
willing to go with the information you're talking about
on the air tonight?

Lazar:  Not really that far.  I mean, my whole  purpose
was to  protest myself,  not really  to be  the one  to
bring all the  information forward  and spearhead  this
whole thing.  So,  I mean,  there have  been plenty  of
people before me, but, you know, it was just to protect
myself.  The reason I'm doing this  here tonight,  I've
just heard a lot of strange things  and some  incorrect
information, you know, on the show, and I just  thought
I could clear a couple things up for some people.

"Scott":  So in other words,  your end  goal to  taking
this on the air  is, in  other words,  just to  protect
yourself.

Lazar:  Yeah,  that's my  only goal.   I  mean, it's  a
selfish goal, but that's what I was thinking of at  the
time, and it was my only avenue to do this.

"Scott":  I see.  How open and verifiable  is your  own
background?

Lazar:   Well,  that's been  gone through,  and it's  a
painful experience to go through, to have other  people
go  through  your  background.    I  have  a   colorful
background.  George Knapp has dug through...   Well,  I
guess you're not familiar  with the  station out  here,
the CBS affiliate. 

"Scott":  I've heard a few things.

Lazar:    Well, they've  rummaged through  it.   George
Knapp even came with me up to Los  Alamos, New  Mexico,
and, you know, saw where I worked and things and  spoke
to some of the colleagues I worked with.

"Scott":  Right.   What  I'm getting  at is  between...
You've already  established your  goal and  determining
how far you are willing to go  with this.   The  things
you are saying are somewhat fantastic,  of course,  and
I'm trying to determine if you are open to any sort  of
a  thorough  background  investigation, to  be able  to
determine what you are saying has the possibilities  of
showing a great deal of truth.

Lazar:  Well, I've essentially submitted to a  thorough
background investigation.

"Scott":  Well, by who?

Lazar:  Well, the station that did the UFO special.

"Scott":    Well,  forgive  me if  I tell  you I  don't
consider that to be too thorough if it's by a station. 
I'm a private investigator, and I don't know if  you're
familiar [with] what we're trying to attempt right now,
but we have 20 different  investigators.   In fact,  we
just brought on someone new up in the  Las Vegas  area,
and we're trying to  get to  the bottom  of this  whole
matter.  We really want to bring out the truth, because
there are a  lot of  stories out  there now.   And  you
sound fairly credible on the air, and  you're the  kind
of  gentleman  that  one  of us  would certainly  enjoy
talking to, but unfortunately in this sort of  subject,
one really has to establish some  credibility to  begin
with, and that is the  sort of  background I'm  talking
about.  Something that would be done by a  professional
investigator.

Lazar:  Uh-huh.  [Pause.] 

"Scott":  Does that sit well with you?

Lazar:  Well...  As far as the background, that sort of
thing, that's currently all being done by, like I said,
by the people down at the news station.

"Scott":  You see, our problem is that we are trying to
put together an effort here to really get to the bottom
of this whole thing, to the truth.

Lazar:    Right,  I understand  that, but  you have  to
understand my reluctance of having everyone that  calls
me want to start off at Ground Zero and go all the  way
back and go through...

"Scott":  We don't consider ourselves everyone.

Lazar:  I mean, excuse me, but I do.  I mean,  everyone
has been calling me and my...  I mean you can imagine a
"Q" clearance is a thorough  background  investigation.  
I've had a "Q" clearance for a long time before I  ever
got into the project out  here.   But, like  I said,  I
don't want to spearhead everything.   My intention  was
to come on  and say  what I  had to  do to  essentially
protect myself, and I'd just as soon leave it at that.

"Scott":    Right,  well,  we're  not  looking  for   a
spearhead.  We're only trying to get to  some end,  and
the only way we can get to that end are finding  people
who are coming forward and giving  us information  that
we  can  verify  as   being  credible.     It   doesn't
necessarily mean it has to be released or  any of  your
integrity or your identity has to be bandied around  in
the public.   It just  is a  method of  helping us  get
toward the end the we are trying to achieve.

Lazar:   There's  just, like,  twenty-five people  that
have the same request as you.

"Scott":    Okay,  well, I  think that  our request  is
probably  a  little  bit  different.    If  you're  not
familiar with what we are trying to do, I guess I'm  at
a loss. 

Goodman:  He probably has no idea what we...   Maybe  I
can touch on that, and, Scott, thanks for the call.

"Scott":  Okay.

Goodman:  Let me tell you what's going on here.    Now,
I don't know if it's necessary in your case because you
are, like , 38 levels above "Q," as you say there,  but
there's  an  investigative   force   that  has  joined.  
Basically, what we were  talking about  earlier.   They
are  really...  It  is  probably  the first  legitimate
organization that is checking out UFO claims and  other
claims.  Okay?    It's   the  very   first  one.   This
organization is out  of Southern  California, and  they
have offices out in San Francisco.  They  have over  20
investigators, and, as Scott just  said--I wasn't  even
aware of that but I just heard  that tonight--they  now
have  an  investigator--We're  talking  about   private
investigators.   You  know  what  we're  talking about.  
There's one in Las Vegas.  And what  they're trying  to
do is they're trying to amass everything they  possibly
can, 'cause they want to get to the bottom  of it  once
and  for  all.    And  I  think--You  say  you have  25
others.--this might be...  I don't know what they  need
from you.  Having a 38... whatever that means, I  guess
you can show papers, you have  a 38  "Q" clearance  and
that would end it.  And it could go forward from  that,
because you're saying things that I know  they want  to
get into.  That's what  it boils  down to.   Okay,  Bob
Lazar is my guest, and he'd love to talk with you.   If
you have any questions for Bob Lazar, feel free to call
us.  Let's go to, we'll go to "606" and then  Deadhead,
but first let's go to Kevin in Encino, a new member.  A
new member.  Hello, Kevin.

"Kevin":  Yeah, Hi, Billy.  How you doing?

Goodman:  Fine, Thank you.

"Kevin":  I had a question for Bob.

Goodman:  Go right ahead.

"Kevin":  I was a  little interested  in the  condition
and shape of the disks that he claims he saw up in Area
S-4, on the range.

Lazar:  The  condition and  shape?   The condition,  it
seemed new, as I said on the TV program.

"Kevin":  I did not catch your TV program.  

Lazar:  Okay, I'm sorry.

"Kevin":  I'm a new listener here.

Lazar:  It seemed almost brand new, like I  said, if  I
know what a new flying saucer looks  like.   As far  as
the shape...

"Kevin":  The general configuration.

Lazar:   Have you  ever seen  any of  the Billy  Mieres
photographs?

"Kevin":  I've seen a couple, yes.

Lazar:    There's  one   that  it   bears  a   striking
resemblance to.  It's one that  I coined  the term  the
sport  model.    It  doesn't  have any  of those  weird
protrusions.  It's a slim, thin disk with ridges in it,
and it bears  and incredible  resemblance to  that.   I
tent to think that it is that disk.

"Kevin":  And approximate dimensions of the...

Lazar:    I'd  say  approximately  30-35, somewhere  in
there.   About 15 feet tall.

"Kevin":  How close were you allowed to the object.

Lazar:  Oh, I stood inside the doorway.

"Kevin":  Stood inside the doorway, huh?  Were you able
to determine, possibly, what the metallic makeup was of
the craft.

Lazar:  No, no.

"Kevin":    Okay,  well,  it's  been  very  interesting
listening to you, and we'll continue on  with you  here
tonight.

Lazar:  Thank you.

Goodman:   Thank you,  Kevin.   Thanks for  the call.  
Okay, let's just say...  Bob, did you touch  it at  any
time?

Lazar:  Oh, yeah.

Goodman:  What does it feel like?

Lazar:  It feels like ordinary metal.

Goodman:  Ordinary metal, really?

Lazar:  Yeah.

Goodman:  Like what, aluminum-type feel, or what?

Lazar:  Well, can you feel the difference between steel
and aluminum?

Goodman:  No really.  Steel is colder than aluminum,  I
understand, you know, if you really touch it.  You  can
get your fingers to stick to steel.

Lazar:  Well, it felt like metal.   I mean,  I'm not  a
metallurgist, but...

Goodman:  The reason I say that is  because there  have
been  many reports--and  I guess  maybe they're  false,
now--but they say that it's  almost like  a very,  very
thin feel to it.

Lazar:  Well, I couldn't touch the thickness of it.   I
felt the outside of the skin, so it could  be a  micron
thick or a foot thick I wouldn't know.

Goodman:  So you never saw the metal itself off to  the
side; you just saw it all connected.

Lazar:  No, not pieces of it, no, just the disk itself.

Goodman:  What was the disk doing, may I ask.

Lazar:  Sitting there.

Goodman:  Like, how was it  sitting, like  on a  bottom
like...?

Lazar:  Yeah, it was actually...  There weren't  tripod
legs.  It was  actually resting  on the  bottom of  the
disk.

Goodman:  Wow.  Were there people milling around it?

Lazar:  Not at the time that I walked up to it.   There
were people in the area, yeah.

Goodman:  Is that the  only one  you ever  saw, by  the
way?

Lazar:    No,  I saw  the other  ones, but  at a  great
distance.

Goodman:  Oh, I see.  What were they doing?

Lazar:  They were just parked in the hangers.

Goodman:  Like an airplane.

Lazar:  Yeah, essentially.

Goodman:  You never saw them land or take off.

Lazar:  No, no, never.  I don't even know if they  were
operational.

Goodman:  Oh, okay.  Bob Lazar is my  guest, and  let's
go and talk with Deadhead Dean.  Deadhead Dean.  Hello,
Deadhead Dean.  Go for it.

"Deadhead  Dean":    Yeah, hello.   First  of all,  Bob
Lazar, I'd like to say that I feel for  you about  that
phone call a couple of minutes ago,  about they  wanted
to investigate you some more.

Lazar:  Well, thanks.

"Deadhead Dean":  But, to get to something else  that's
sort of technical, I took a class in quantum physics in
college.

Lazar:  That's a fun class, isn't it?

"Deadhead Dean":  Well, it was for me, but we studied a
lot about gravity, and there's a question I want to ask
you--It's a little technical.--just to see  if you  can
tell me anything, if you know anything about  it.   But
of course we studied about gravitons....

Lazar:  Okay, the theory of gravitons is wrong.

"Deadhead Dean":  Well, that's what I was going to  ask
you, if you knew anything about it.

Lazar:  Yeah.

"Deadhead Dean":  Because what we were told is that...

Lazar:  But physics has always done that.  Where  there
is a question, they create a particle.   You must  know
what I am talking about, photons and things like that.

"Deadhead Dean":  Right.  Well, see, what  I was  going
to ask you was, if you had found or read anything  that
confirmed the existence of gravitons.

Lazar:    No.    Everything  denied  the  existence  of
gravitons.   In fact, gravity--I don't know if this  is
the  first  time  I've said  this.--There are  actually
two...  Gravity is a wave, and there  are actually  two
waves  that  are misconstrued  as one  force.   They're
called Gravity "A" and "B."

"Deadhead  Dean":    So, what's  your general  attitude
about quantum physics, the quantum theory?

Lazar:  Well, you know, that can last all  night.   You
know, it's...   If  you want  to talk  to me  privately
about that, I'd be happy to talk to you.

"Deadhead Dean":  Yeah, because I'm  interested in  how
it  connects  with  the grand  unified field  theories,
because, you know, we were sort of told that, you know,
if we could sort of confirm  the existence  of some  of
these quantum particles we could fit it...

Lazar:  Right.  There are...

"Deadhead  Dean":   Anyway, I  think I  got the  answer
about the gravitons.

Lazar:  If...  I don't know how you...  I don't want to
say my number over the air.  That would be a disaster.

"Deadhead Dean":  Right, right.

Lazar:  You could  write in  care of  the station,  and
Billy could get it to me and I could write back to you.
But  the  unified  field theory is a lot more simple...  
Like they say, the beautiful theory will be the unified
field theory, and it is essentially a lot simpler  than
physics is after right now.

"Deadhead Dean":   Okay,  there's just  one very  quick
thing.  I heard you on the news program,  at one  point
you said that the craft you  saw, the  extraterrestrial
craft, were from another solar system  completely.   Do
you believe that because you know where they are  from,
or because you just  ruled out  that any  of the  other
planets in this solar system are habitable.

Lazar:  No, that's because I know where they're from.

"Deadhead Dean":  I see, okay, that's all  I wanted  to
know.

Goodman:  Hey, Deadhead Dean, great questions.

"Deadhead Dean":  Yeah, thanks for coming forward, Bob.

Lazar:  Well, thank you.

Goodman:  Take care, guy.   Bye-bye.   Deadhead Dean.  
Boy, those were great questions, huh?   You enjoy  that
stuff?

Lazar:  Yeah.

Goodman:    I  mean, these  people know  what they  are
talking  about.    Guess  who's coming  up next?     An
aerospace engineer, standing by  in Los  Angeles.   And
we'll  talk  with  him,  and you'll  hear the  exchange
between  the aerospace  engineer and  Bob Lazar,  right
before your very ears on your Billy Goodman Happening. 
Stick around for it on KVEG.

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[Caller's introduction missing from transcribed tape.]

"Leonard":  Fine. 

Goodman:  Good.

"Leonard":    Say  listen, Billy.   I  read about  your
program here in a local newspaper some weeks back,  and
I just started tuning in the other night.

Goodman:  Well, I'm glad you have.

"Leonard":    I'm  an  aerospace   engineer,  and   I'm
interested in virtually anything that flies.

Goodman:  Terrific.

"Leonard":  I've got about  25 years  in the  business,
and I  worked on  a lot  of fighter  planes and  mostly
commercial transports, and I've heard a  lot of  people
call  into your  show and  also some  other shows  with
trans-atomospheric vehicles going to  Venus, this  sort
of thing, and [laughs] and it always [releases] kind of
a chuckle in me.

Goodman:  Okay, do you have a question for my g--...

"Leonard":  [indecipherable] three vehicles.  One is  a
single stage orbital vehicles that's supposed come back
down, not go to Venus.

Goodman:  Okay, but do you have a question for my guest
tonight?

"Leonard":  Yes.  I was going  to ask  Bob, physics  is
kind  of a  hobby of  mine, and  I just...   I've  been
reading a book by Reichenbach, Hans Reichenbach on  the
theory of space-time geometry.

Lazar:  Uh-huh.

"Leonard":  And Reichenbach states  that--this kind  of
surprises me, as I say this is kind of a hobby of mine,
I'm not really a physicist, I'm more of a metal  bender
but--that time is not the  fourth dimension.   And  I'm
wondering,  you  say  this  vehicle  has three  gravity
generators on them.

Lazar:  Right.

"Leonard":    Oh,  what does  it use  to generate  this
intense  gravity  field.    Is  it  neutron  stars,  or
[laughs]...

Lazar:   No, no,  the gravity  generators generate  the
gravity themselves.

"Leonard":  I  was being  facetious there  when I  said
neutron stars because as far as I know  the only  thing
that could generate gravity is massive bodies.

Lazar:  Right, that  is the  only thing  that you  know
[laughs] that generates gravity, yeah.

"Leonard":  And I was just curious as to how this  sort
of thing worked, and I could understand how they  would
bend space-time and lens it, but the thing that bothers
me is you say that it stretched space-time and then the
vehicle follows the space-time, continually you'd  say,
I guess?

Lazar:    Not  continually.    It essentially  attaches
itself to the distorted portion of space-time.

"Leonard":  Uh-huh.

Lazar:    And  then  follows...     returns  with   the
distortion.  It's quite a bizarre...  You  kind of  see
what I'm  saying?   It's quite  of a  bizarre thing  to
think about.

"Leonard":  I begin to see a glimmer here.  This is the
most fascinating thing I've heard.

Lazar:  It is.  It's...  I mean, it's...  I would  have
lived up there.  I would have worked  for no  pay.   It
was  just  so  fascinating  to  me, and  I just  became
enveloped   with  it.   It's  essentially  new  physics.  
There's a lot that's very difficult to grasp.   There's
no  three  dimensional  analogies.   There's  a lot  of
current theories--the superstring theory, if physics is
a hobby,  you've read  about that?--You  know, they  go
into eleven dimensions and things like that.  

"Leonard":  And higher.

Lazar: You  begin to  grab  at  straws after  a  while.  
Every time you get  stuck, you  say, well--oh,  another
dimension will handle that, and you  go on  and on  and
on.  And the same thing with particles and it's...

"Leonard":  They've  concluded now  there's only  three
generations of particles, and I was wondering what  you
thought  about  that,  because   gravitons  and   these
super-luminal  particles  would  have  been the  fourth
generation.

Lazar:  You mean the generations like  the leptons  and
so forth?

"Leonard":  And the quarks.

Lazar:  Yeah,  okay.   Well, a  quark, you  know I  can
argue about quark theory, too.  You know, there  again,
that's a tremendous discussion in itself.

Goodman:  All right, Leonard, thanks for the call.

"Leonard":  Oh, okay, well thank you.

Goodman:  Okay, yeah,  that's great  stuff.   Aerospace
engineer talking with  a physicist,  right here,  right
before your very ears.    We're talking with Bob Lazar.  
We're going to take a little break for some news.   You
guys get up, stretch you  legs, relax,  and we'll  come
back  after new  with more  of your  questions for  Bob
Lazar, the scientist who has revealed  tonight for  the
first time that,   there are no spaceships at  Area 51.  
They're at S-4, which is like  10 miles  south of  Area
51.  So if you're heading on up to Groom Lake  tonight,
you know, and you get to the 29-1/2 mile marker,  don't
look straight ahead; look to your left.  You're  liable
to see something buzzing  out there.   What's  tonight,
Tuesday?  No, tomorrow night's the best night.  He says
Wednesday's  probably  the  best  night.    But  you're
listening to Billy Goodman  Happening.   We'll be  here
until one o'clock or until they come to  take me  away,
which ever comes first.  And we'll be talking more with
Bob Lazar.  Let's remind you that  tomorrow night,  two
guest coming on: Micheal Calum , Micheal Calum ,  who's
getting involved with this UFO phenomenon.  And Michael
Calum  of  course  is  a  movie  star  out  of  "Double
Exposure."  He was in "Cat Ballou."  He originally  was
in "West Side Story."  We'll talk about  him, and  then
after that Crista Tilton.  She'll be  back, and  she'll
be  talking  about  her abduction  and her  underground
excursion, things  of that  nature.   That's coming  up
tomorrow night.  You stick around for that.  Of course,
on Thursday night, we have James Tollison with the Free
Enterprise System.     And  Friday night,  Bill Cooper.  
Those are some of the things you might want to put down
on your calendar.  We're going to take  a little  break
for news.  We'll be back right after news with more  of
your Billy Goodman Happening.

[News]

Goodman:    Ah, you  got us.   It's  the Billy  Goodman
Happening direct from Las Vegas, and  my guest  tonight
is Bob Lazar.  Bob is a scientist.  Now  where are  you
actually working right now, Bob?

Lazar:  I'm just...  I have my own company.

Goodman:  Okay, so are you like inventing things?  What
do you do?

Lazar:  Ah...  I'd rather not say.

Goodman:  Okay,  that's your  privilege, sir.   I  just
thought I'd give you, you know, a plug and then you get
some business out of it.

Lazar:    Well,  I  still  conduct  business  with  the
government in a technical aspect.

Goodman:  That was like a consultant type thing, maybe?
 Does that fit in there?

Lazar:  You could say that.

Goodman:  Okay, I will, if you don't mind.  All  right,
let's go and talk with  E.T.C., whatever  that means.  
Etcetera, or whatever the case may be.  Hello, E.T.C.

"E.T.C.":  Yes, good afternoon, or evening.

Goodman:  Whatever.

"E.T.C.":  Bob, it's great to talk with you.

Lazar:  Thanks.

"E.T.C.":  Let me ask you  something.   Does M-42  mean
anything to you?

Lazar:  M-42.  [Pause.]  Not off the top of my head.

"E.T.C.":  Okay, very good.  How do you rate Hawkings?

Lazar:  Steven Hawkings?

"E.T.C.":  Yes.

Lazar:  Well, there's...   There's  a lot  I could  say
about him.  A lot of the basic theory is incorrect, but
he's a very thorough guy.  Have you read his book?

"E.T.C.":    Yes,  I   have.     I'm  an   experimental
researcher,  and  I'm  interest--    I  think we're  in
agreement on  what your  stuttering about.   I  stutter
about him a little bit, too.  See, you're a  physicist;
now  how  far  back  do  you  go  as  far as  traveling
backwards through time?   Can you  go to  the Big  Bang
theory and then subscribe to it?

Lazar:  Ah...  I'll go with  the Big  Bang theory,  but
there are so many other variables, so many other things
really  could  have  happened,  I don't...   You  know,
that's more  of a  cosmology [laughs]  viewpoint.   I'm
concerned  mainly  with particle  physics, high  energy
physics and that sort of thing, but...

"E.T.C.":  Well isn't that where it all begins?

Lazar:  Yeah,  it is.   But  when you're  talking on  a
macro scale like that, you're sliding out  of my  field
of expertise.  I do subscribe to the Big Bang theory.  
There was a Big Bang.  Where the initial particle  came
from, you know there's a great debate about that.

"E.T.C.":  Could you give me an  estimate...   creation
versus  evolution.    Was  the Big  Bang a  part of  an
evolution or was it part of a creation?  And was  there
a creation or evolution before that?

Lazar:  Well that's a chicken  or the  egg question  to
me.  I would say that the Big  Bang was  followed by  a
natural evolution, though I don't  believe things  just
evolved to where everything is now without interaction.
Does that...?

"E.T.C.":  Very good.  I guess I'm going back too far. 
You seem to be a  very logical  scientist to  me.   You
don't want to go out on a limb on theories.   You  want
to stick to the facts.

Lazar:  I'd really rather do that.

"E.T.C.":  And that's very good.  And what is the facts
to you?  How far can you  really trace  us back,  trace
your science back to absolutes, where you drop off from
absolutes into your theories?

Lazar:  Probably from the instant of the detonation  of
the Big Bang.

"E.T.C.":  Okay, that's the microseconds, right?

Lazar:  Well I'd say even before that.

"E.T.C.":    Okay,  very  good.   Do you  feel the  new
telescopes coming up into  space will  help solve  that
mystery?

Lazar:  Oh, yeah...  It'll  certainly pose  a lot  more
questions, though.

["Time up" tone.]

"E.T.C.":    Yeah,  I  agree.    Hey,  it  was a  great
pleasure.  Thank you.

Goodman:    Thank you  E.T.C.   What is  this Big  Bang
theory.  I can hear everybody all over the West Coast: 
Billy, ask hi what the Big Bang theory is.  What is the
Big Bang theory?

Lazar:    Ah...    Essentially  how  the  universe  was
initiated.  

Goodman:  Oh.

Lazar:  I think the way that was detected was,  someone
looked  and  just  happened  to  notice  that  all  the
galaxies  were  moving  away  from a  certain point  at
certain  speeds,  and  they  did  a  computer  analysis
and--I'm not really sure how this progressed, but  they
were able to reverse the directions and everything came
to a single point and assumed that there  was one  time
an unbelievably massive particle that exploded and, you
know...

Goodman:  Like  a meteorite  type thing,  is that  what
you're referring to?

Lazar:  Well...

Goodman:  Bigger than that?

Lazar:  No, actually smaller than that.  It gets really
crazy, but it's...

Goodman:  Okay.  But, I mean, this thing did explode...

Lazar:  Right, there was a tremendous explosion,  threw
everything  out,  gasses,  and  things  condensed  into
matter and essentially formed the universe.  That's the
Big Bang theory.

Goodman:    Okay.    Bob  Lazar is  my guest.   It's  a
privilege to have a  physicist, right  here in  studio,
and this is your opportunity of a lifetime  to ask  him
any questions.   Bob Lazar  actually saw  with his  own
eyes--a given number...  How many  flying saucers  have
you seen?

Lazar:  Nine.

Goodman:  Nine flying saucers, and you know for a  fact
they did not come from here.  Right?  Or  am I  putting
words in your mouth, I'm sorry, I  shouldn't ask  that.
Where do you think they came from originally. 

Lazar:  Yeah, I  didn't see  them delivered  here.   My
best guestimation is that they came from another, well,
another world.

Goodman:  And when they are flown in this S-4 area, are
they flown by aliens or by military pilots?

Lazar:  Well, they're either flown by remote control or
flown by, you know, military pilots.

Goodman:  Oh, remote control.  Oh.

Lazar:  Well,  I say  either remote  control or  people
because I did not actually see who got into the disk.

Goodman:  Ah, okay.  Did it look like there  was a  lot
of room?

Lazar:  A lot of room in the disk?

Goodman:  Yeah.  Were  they that  large?   I mean,  how
large were these things?

Lazar:  No, there's not that much room inside.  Yeah.

Goodman:  Yeah, you have to be small, I imagine.

Lazar:  Right.

Goodman:  Okay, Bob Lazar is my  guest.   Let's go  and
talk with--This is going to be a good one.--Space Case.
 Are you  ready for  this?   Space Case.   Okay,  Space
Case, you're on the air everywhere on KVEG.

"Space Case":  Hey, Bob?

Lazar:  Yeah.

"Space Case":  Nanu Nanu.

Lazar:  Nanu Nanu to you.